Friday, May 23, 2014

Chapter 4: Introducing Ecumenical Expressivism


Chapter 4, ‘Introducing Ecumenical Expressivism’, packs in a lot of stimulating ideas that are central to the broader project of the book, so I’m afraid this summary will be a bit longer than ideal. Let’s start with a quick recap: Chapter 2 argued that normative thought is affective, action-guiding, and acrimonious, and that these features militate against understanding it as being purely representational. Chapter 3 made the case that the core features can’t be captured by adding a desire-like element to representational content. This points us in the direction of expressivism, the subject matter of the chapter at hand. For expressivists, normative thoughts are in the first instance constituted by desire-like states, and are as such inherently practical. This gives it an edge when it comes to accounting for the affective and action-guiding aspects of normative thought. Insofar as normative disagreement is best understood as disagreement in attitude, this also favours expressivism. The distinctive claim of ecumenical expressivism is that normative judgment is a hybrid state consisting of a desire-like element and a suitably related representational belief. In this central chapter, Ridge explains what exactly the hybrid state is, and argues that the meanings of normative terms are explained in terms of the mental states they express.

Procedural note: I wrote this critical summary on the basis of an earlier draft of the book, which was organized differently. Since I don’t think the order affects the points made below, I’ll leave it as it is.

Normative Thought

Ridge labels the desire-like component of a normative judgment the agent’s normative perspective. For Gibbard, it would consist in states of norm-acceptance, but Ridge prefers a Bratmanian picture, on which a normative perspective is a “set of relatively stable policies against accepting certain standards of deliberation” (115), in particular policies the agent is satisfied with (roughly in the sense of not having conflicting policies). Policies here are kind of general contingency plans, in particular plans about how to deliberate. (For Bratman, self-governing policies are plans about which desires to treat as providing justifying reasons, but Ridge rightly eschews appeal to unanalysed notions treating something as a reason.) So when you have a normative perspective, you plan (that is, intend) not to deliberate in certain ways. Perhaps you intend not to be the kind of person for whom the colour of another’s skin is an important consideration in deciding whether to pursue friendship. (This is not how Ridge puts it, but since I worry about the notion of a standard here (see below), I’m suggesting an alternative gloss in the spirit of the view, as I understand it.)

But surely there’s more to normative thought than settling on not deliberating in certain ways! Ridge agrees. Our normative perspectives are also constituted by plans to act and deliberate in ways that are required or highly recommended by all the standards we have not ruled out (any acceptable standards). They also involve a defeasible propensity to encourage others to do likewise. (Think back on Stevenson: “I approve of this; do so as well”.)

So that, very roughly, is the desire-like aspect of normative judgment for Ridge. The judgment itself consists of a combination of normative perspective with a relevant representational belief. What representational belief? Here we go back to Chapter 1 and the idea that any normative judgment can be understood in terms of something being highly ranked or required or recommended by contextually determined standards. Suppose Anne thinks that pleasure is good as an end. According to Ridge’s analysis, this amounts to her thinking that pleasure would be highly ranked as an end by any ultimate acceptable standard of practical reasoning. And this thought, in turn, has the following two elements (cf. 119):

a)     A normative perspective.
b)    The representational belief that pleasure would be highly ranked as an end by any admissible ultimate standard of practical reasoning.

So, roughly, you accept certain standards of practical reasoning, and believe that those standards rank pleasure highly as an end. That’s what it is to think that pleasure is good as an end. On this view, a normative judgment is a relational state in the sense that Mark Schroeder has popularized, since the content of the belief refers to the content of the normative perspective (‘admissible’ standards in b are those not ruled out in a). The core appeal of thinking of normative judgments as this sort of hybrid states is that they allow for any degree of logical complexity in the content of the belief element, which helps deal with some key objections to expressivism (see next chapter).

Okay, so much for a very brief sketch of the view. I have four questions or worries. First, it’s not clear what the role of the representational belief is in normative judgment. Return to the case of thinking that pleasure is good as an end. Evidently, Anne’s normative perspective consists of policies ruling out standards that rule out pleasure as an end, and plans to give pleasure positive weight as an end in practical reasoning. Question: why does that not suffice, for an expressivist in particular, for her judging that pleasure is good as an end? If all the standards she endorses rank pleasure highly, why does she also have to believe that admissible standards rank pleasure highly? After all, the distinctively normative aspect of the thought is all in the attitudes, for an expressivist. To be sure, the hybrid model makes sense when it comes to, say, thoughts of good bread. It’s plausible enough that one way in which the thought that O’Keeffe’s bread is good can be realized is that I accept only standards for choosing bread that rank crustiness highly, and believe that O’Keeffe’s bread is crusty. But what about the thoughts that are not of this type?

Second, since the expressivist project is to explain normative thought without appeal to normative content (which will be downstream from normative thought), there’s always the question of whether an expressivist account is necessary and sufficient for normative judgment. Since Ridge packs a lot into the notion of a normative perspective, the necessity question is particularly urgent for his view. Do we really have to manifest such complex intentions and beliefs in order to think, say, that we have a reason to go swimming on a hot day? This isn’t just a point about the mind-boggling psychological complexity of Ridge’s view. It is rather that it seems possible to make normative judgments that don’t involve stable policies of any sort, not to mention stable policies regarding standards of practical reasoning. Why wouldn’t it be possible?

Third, what about sufficiency? Recall that normative perspectives are essentially sets of complex conditional intentions. The question is whether combining such planning states with representational beliefs is enough for a normative judgment. Clearly, we can intend to do something without judging that we ought to do it, or have reason to do it. So why can’t we intend to (not to) deliberate in a certain way without thinking that we ought to do so, or that we ought to act in a certain way? On this point, the contrast between Gibbard’s and Ridge’s views is instructive. On Gibbard’s original view, moral judgment consists of accepting norms for guilt and anger. Although there’s room to question the sufficiency of that, it’s at least plausible that endorsing reactive attitudes is closely bound up with moral (and perhaps more broadly normative) judgment. But for Ridge, emotions are only contingently linked with normative judgment. So all the weight is borne by policies for deliberating. And on the face of it, it seems I could have a policy of giving positive weight to X in deliberation (including rejecting standards for deliberating that don’t give X positive weight) without thereby thinking that X is good or that I have reason to X (especially if we understand giving positive weight in naturalistic terms, as something a robot might do).

My fourth, and possibly related, worry about Ridge’s account is that I’m not sure if it goes deep enough. Take again Gibbard’s original view for comparison. Accepting a norm requiring X-ing is, roughly, being motivated to X and perhaps feeling bad if one doesn’t X, and being disposed to communicate this state of mind to others when speaking without openly. So all we have is attitudes and behavioural dispositions whose object is an unambiguously factual (X-ing, speaking in a certain way). This is a clearly naturalistic, non-normative account of what it is to think normative thoughts. Ridge’s view, in what seems to me to be an important contrast, is spelled out in terms of commitments whose content involves reference to what is required or recommended by a standard. To my eyes, that’s normative talk, something the expressivist needs to analyse away in terms of attitudes toward natural facts. It’s not enough to know that in making a normative judgment, we’re committed to a standard that requires X-ing. We need to know, in terms that don’t make reference to “standards” or “requiring”, what attitudes we must have toward X-ing in order to have such commitment. This is even more urgent when it comes to beliefs about standards requiring or recommending or highly ranking something – what is it to believe such a thing?


Normative Language

So much for a brief characterization of ecumenical expressivism as a theory of normative thought. But what about normative language? It’s not clear, Ridge observes, what question expressivism is trying to answer when it promises to account for the meaning of normative language. There’s two main options. A semantic theory for a language consists of two main parts: an assignment of semantic values to the terms and a syntax that tells us how to derive semantic values of wholes from the semantic values of parts and the way they’re arranged. A meta-semantic theory, in Ridge’s terms, explains why terms have the meanings they do. Mark Schroeder thinks of expressivism as a first-order semantic theory, according to which the contents (or semantic values) of normative sentences are mental states. But Ridge argues that expressivism is best understood as a view in meta-semantics instead.

What does this mean? First, expressivism is compatible with standard first-order semantics for normative sentences. So the expressivist will agree that “Abortion is wrong” is true iff abortion is wrong, or if the referent of “abortion” is in the extension of the predicate “morally wrong”. Here terms like “truth” and “referent” are used in a deflationary sense that doesn’t entail that there is, say, the property of wrongness out there. (Making this contrast is notoriously hard once you go deflationist about everything, but you get the point.) Second, what is distinctive about expressivism is the meta-semantic thesis it advances: normative claims have the meanings they do in virtue of their expressing normative judgments, which are hybrid states of the sort discussed above.

Ridge labels the broader Lockean/Gricean metasemantic framework in which meanings of linguistic items are explained by way of the mental states they express ideationalism. Words mean what they do, because they are conventionally used to express certain states of mind. What is it to ‘express’ a state of mind? Ridge sketches two options. The first, based on Wayne Davis’s work, is that a word expresses an idea if it conventionally indicates it. (Presumably Davis explains what an ‘idea’ is – on the face of it, this suggestion is highly implausible, as the basic units of communication are sentences rather than words, and they express complex, highly unconventional thoughts rather than individual ideas.) The other is that sentences express those thoughts that people who assert them are accountable for having. For example, if you assert “There’s cheese on the moon”, you’re accountable for having the belief that there’s cheese on the moon, on pain of being charged with insincerity or semantic confusion by other members of your linguistic community. Like Ridge, I find the latter account of expression more promising – but it’s not immediately clear how it links up with the core claim that meanings are explained by the mental states they express. It’s certainly compatible with non-ideationalist meta-semantic frameworks.

Ridge does, however, provide a story of how the meta-semantic explanation works – how the mental state that a sentence expresses explains its propositional content (i.e. the proposition it expresses, in a different sense of ‘express’). Importantly, propositions here cannot be understood in standard Fregean or Russellian or Lewisian sense, as abstract entities or structured entities composed of individuals and properties or sets of possible worlds. If they were, normative propositions could be the contents of standard representational beliefs, and the contents of normative claims could be explained by virtue of what they represent, as cognitivists maintain. So Ridge has to cast about for an alternative conception of propositions, and finds one in Scott Soames’s work. Soames argues that propositions are cognitive event types. On this view, a belief that X is F, say, isn’t a relation to an abstract entity (for example) with the content that X is F. Instead, it is a cognitive event that consists of predicating F of X (where predication is a primitive contentful mental act) and some sort of endorsement of this predication. Propositions are types of basic cognitive events (such as predications).

Soames’s view is an account of propositions as bearers of representational content. But Ridge maintains that this approach generalizes naturally to normative thoughts. They, too, are cognitive events of various cognitive types. Normative propositions are, then, cognitive types of a particular kind – types of practical thought. Ridge claims that “we can have normative propositions in precisely Soames’s sense. For once we allow that thinking that abortion is morally wrong is a cognitive event, we can plausibly infer that there is a corresponding cognitive event type, and so on for all such normative thoughts.” (129)

But is this really sufficient? Sure, hybrid states form cognitive types. But central to Soames’s case for identifying propositions with cognitive event types is that cognitive events of predication (in particular) are primitively representational (and have inherent truth conditions), unlike abstract objects (Fregean propositions). But hybrid states are not primitively representational – they’re not representational at all! So I don’t see how following Soames’s arguments would get us to normative propositions consisting of essentially non-cognitive event types.

Putting that worry aside, Ridge believes that this understanding of propositions allows for a distinctively expressivist metasemantics. On this view, giving the semantic content of a claim consists of “articulating the proposition it expresses in some privileged language” (130). (Is this really all that first-order semantics does?) Since normative propositions are types of hybrid states, “what it is for a proposition p to be expressed by a claim in a context of utterance is for that claim to express the thought that p, where the proposition that p just is the cognitive event type of thinking that p” (130).

There is evidently much more to be said here, but I’ll leave it for general discussion. Here’s a final thought. It seems that expressivism faces a kind of dilemma: either it is committed to non-standard, non-truth conditional semantics, or it is committed to a controversial meta-semantic framework and a highly controversial account of propositions (which does not obviously fit with the expressivist strategy). (Officially, Ridge says that ideationalism is the “most natural home” for expressivism, but it’s hard to see how the strategy would work in other metasemantic frameworks.) Either way, it seems that accounting for normative language in terms of essentially non-representational states is not good for your plausibility points, unless you belong to the small set of people who are antecedently both ideationalist and Soamesian.

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  1. Thanks to Antti for the very nice summary and interesting questions/worries! Since Nick suggested I take a more active role in the group, and since chapter 4 is where the positive view comes into focus for the first time, I’ll offer some more extended comments here. In this post and the next one, I’ll focus on normative thought and then I’ll say something separately about my account of normative language.

    On each of the four questions on normative thought [put in my own terms]

    (1) “Why think belief is necessary for normative thought in simple atomic judgments of fundamental value like ‘pleasure is good as an end’?”

    I think it may be implicit in this assumption that it will always be transparent whether a given ultimate standard ranks something (like pleasure) as good as an end. But this isn’t the case. Suppose I deem only one on standard as acceptable, and that standard endorses as an end whatever God loves for its own sake. Without some representational beliefs about what God loves, I won’t plausibly count as having a view about whether pleasure (e.g.) is good as an end. If we focus only on cases in which all of the relevant standards all take it as axiomatic that any given end is good for its own sake, we can miss out on the role of such beliefs.

    More generally, I think the explanatory power we get from (e.g.) dealing with the Frege-Geach problem gives us a reason to understand even the simple cases in terms of hybrid states involving a representational component.

    It might also provide a better account of normative motivation. If someone’s fundamental standards all require always telling the truth, but the agent doesn’t realize this (think of the universal law formulation, e.g.) then plausibly they won’t be suitably motivated. If we think the judgment alone should be sufficient for motivation (in the sense given by CJI in a previous chapter) then that is another reason to insist on the representational belief here.

    (2) “Why think normative judgment requires stable policies or such mind-boggling complexity?”

    The basic answer is again the explanatory power of the resulting view – its ability to handle a wide range of the core data without problematic metaphysical commitments, etc. If the worry is specifically about the rationale for stability, then I am relying on arguments from Bratman about how self-governing policies define where someone stands at a moment in time (synchronically) by defining them as a person over time (diachronically). I’d also add that stability comes in degrees, of course, and it is not a precise matter just how stable one’s normative perspective has to be to count as making a normative judgment. We don’t, though, very naturally think that someone’s highly unstable motivations at a moment in time constitute her real judgment about the thing to do. In ordinary language, we say things like, “she doesn’t really know what she thinks” in such cases.

    If the worry is about the complexity of such thoughts, I think this is easily exaggerated. It isn’t that complex to have thoughts about what some set of standards have in common. Also, this is an account of the true underlying nature of normative judgments, and such truths need not be transparent. Our pre-theoretic intuitions about how simple various judgments are in their real nature is in general not all that reliable, either. It is, I admit, surprising, but then we also need to think comparatively. It would also come as a surprise to many that their normative judgments are about some non-natural property, or that they are specifically about maximizing happiness or whatever (given that they may explicitly reject such views). And many naturalist views involve a fair bit of complexity in their proposed analyses. Upshot: Most of the views in this area will be contradict the pre-theoretic intuitions had by many speakers about their normative judgments, but those judgments are not terribly reliable anyway.

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    1. Thanks again for the enlightening replies, Michael. I'll try to press some points a bit further in installments.

      On the first point: I wasn't thinking that it would necessarily be transparent how a standard ranks things. I realize that my worry here is probably related to the fourth one, but I was thinking that at the end of the day, the whole accepting-a-standard-that-requires-X (for example) will come down to being disposed to deliberate in a certain way regarding X, such as takjng options that are incompatible with X-ing off the table. And the worry was (leaving aside the third point): why doesn't this suffice for thinking that I ought to X? Why do I also have to believe that any admissible standard requires X, if even without such a belief I'm taking all the non-X options off the table?

      This is not to say that people couldn't endorse a standard without knowing what it requires or recommends, as in your God case - although I think it is de facto rare for people to commit to the Catholic or utilitarian moral code, *whatever its content*. (It would be kind of mad, wouldn' t it?) Maybe that's the novice attitude. But when you become an expert, perhaps you can throw off the ladder and live by policies that rule out, say, lying. (Of course, you'll still need to believe that L is a lie to engage such a policy in a particular case and think that L is wrong, but then the belief is a step in reasoning rather than part of the judgment.)

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    2. I should probably keep this brief and let others chime in, especially as I fear I may end up repeating some of my points, especially the point about explanatory power and the need to posit such a belief to solve the Frege-Geach problem. Another useful way to put that point might be in terms of what it takes for something to be a judgment with a given content, and the coherence of embedding that content into other contexts seems like a plausible necessary condition on this. If that doesn't help, think of the following analogy: Having a normative perspective is like having a conception of the good, in Rawls's sense. But a conception is a more determinate working out of a concept, and a mere concept (and hence a mere conception) is not yet a judgment.

      Here is one last way of responding. Either the fact that the acceptable standards all require telling the truth (or whatever) is obvious or it isn't. If it isn't obvious, then the belief is doing some real work in explaining the agent's suitable motivation. If it is obvious - as when I deem just one standard acceptable and its content is simply 'always tell the truth' - then it may be so obvious that it will be hard to see how any coherent agent could fail to have the belief in question.

      A useful test case might be one in which an agent's standards all obviously entail that lying is out, but he somehow perversely ends up believing that they all entail that lying is required. I would find it odd, to say the least, to say that he still counts as believing that lying is out, but this suggests that what the agent believes is doing some work here.

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    3. Thanks for the further helpful clarification. A couple of nags: I'm not sure if it's dialectically appropriate to appeal to explanatory benefits of positing belief at this point - sure, it would help with other problems, but the issue is whether it is motivated independently of those problems.

      Here's why I'm still not convinced (when putting on a straight expressivist hat): Suppose that I'm committed to standards that rule out lying - I robustly intend to deliberate in a way that takes any lying option off the table. (Maybe you could think of this as a de re commitment to such standards - I think we're in the ballpark of the fetishism argument here. I don't just intend to do whatever some standards require, but I intend to do only those things that my standards admit.) I'm satisfied with this self-governing policy, in Bratman's sense, and it effectively governs my practical reasoning. At the same time, I perversely end up believing that lying is required by all admissible standards. Do I now think lying is wrong? I'm not sure if this is the kind of scenario you have in mind; if it is, we may just be headbutting intuitions. But I'm thinking that if you're fundamentally an expressivist, it is what your policies actually are that determine where you stand on an issue, not what you believe your policies are.

      (PS. Sorry for the slow response rate - I'm trying to finish exams grading today. I'll return to the rest of the discussion tomorrow.)

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    4. That was the sort of scenario I had in mind, yes, and I think we do have different intuitions about the case. One question is what sort of behavior will issue from this combination, and it seems to me that such a person will be motivated to lie. It seems structurally analogous to when someone has an intention to bring about some state of affairs and a false means-end belief that X-ing will bring that about - this will lead him to X even if X in fact (and pretty obviously) will prevent that state of affairs from obtaining. It is just that in this case we presumably have a constitutive means to the end in question, rather than a causal one, right? Not sure that matters other than making it hard to imagine someone being sufficiently silly to believe such a thing if we make the consequences of the standard obvious enough. The basic point, though, is that you need the belief and desire to match up correctly to predict the right sort of action-guidance.

      On explanatory power - I was in effect just inviting one to add up plausibility points, I guess. Not sure I need to establish superiority on all fronts to defend the view.

      Oh, and no need to apologize of course! I am grateful for the care, time and attention you have put into my work!

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    5. Let me try a different tack – I don’t want to belabor the point, but it leads to an issue about the content of the representational belief. In the chapter, you say that the belief is, for example, that something would be highly ranked by any admissible ultimate standard of practical reasoning. Given that “admissible” means something like “that which ought to be admitted”, this is surely a kind of theoretical representation of the content, not a normative belief ascribed to the agent. So what is the agent’s belief, strictly speaking? I take it that the core idea of hybrid expressivism is that normative beliefs have the following broad form:

      a) a desire-like attitude toward X-ing
      b) a belief that Y-ing is X-ing

      Here b is clearly a representational belief (about act-types). Now, suppose Santa Claus requires me not to cry and not to pout, and I have a self-governing policy (for simplicity, let’s say that just consists in a desire) to do what Santa Claus requires me to do (and I reject all other ultimate standards). Here’s a de dicto version of the thought that I ought not cry:

      a) a desire not to do things that Santa requires me to do
      b) a belief that Santa requires me not to cry

      Here the content of the representational belief simply specifies what a standard requires. Question: is this your view? Or is your view really that the content of the representational belief makes reference to either admissibility of the standard (I can’t believe that it is), or to what *my* standards entail? (What you said in response to me earlier suggested this version: “he somehow perversely ends up believing they [his standards] all entail that lying is required”.) The second kind of belief would be very different, as it would be a belief about my policies, something like

      b’) a belief that I am committed to standards that require me not to cry (or: I’m committed to Santa’s standards, which require me not to cry)

      I don’t think this is your view, and I can’t see how it would be motivated.

      Now, the way this links up with my original worry is simple. The first step is that we can have a self-governing policy (that we’re satisfied with etc.) to do, say, what Santa’s standards require de re. That is, I can have a policy for practical reasoning that rules out crying and pouting, perhaps one I’ve acquired by being brought up with Santa’s standards. If I only have a de dicto policy, the fetishism charge threatens: Santa doesn’t want me to whatever he requires me to do, but rather wants me to care intrinsically about avoiding crying and pouting. If I have the de re policy, but I nevertheless come to believe that Santa’s standards require crying, where do I stand? At least if I don’t also have the de dicto policy of doing whatever Santa requires, the merely descriptive belief about Santa’s standards hardly matters. It doesn’t engage with my self-governing policies. I grant that it’s more plausible that the belief matters if I have the de dicto policy, but I don’t yet see why I’d have to have such a policy in order to think normative thoughts (assuming, still, that self-governing policies of practical reasoning suffice for having a normative perspective).

      Finally, I didn’t mean to deny that we need a means belief to act. But such beliefs aren’t part of the normative thought. In addition to thinking that I ought not cry, I need to believe that such-and-such would be crying in order to avoid doing it, but that’s a distinct state of mind. It plays a different role in guiding action.

      OK, I promise to move on to the other points soon – thanks for your patient elaboration on this one so far!

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    6. Excellent. You are pressing me on something I should have been more clear about in the book, and about which Karl Schafer pressed me at the APA session in San Diego. I think for now I'll just clarify my view, rather than also trying to respond further in our ongoing debate about whether a normative perspective alone is enough for a judgment.

      I do say that ‘admissible’ should be defined in terms of the speaker’s current normative perspective, but I do not mean that something like ‘…my normative perspective…’ articulates the sense of the relevant thoughts. Rather, the thoughts in question should be understood as involving a demonstrative element, whereby the thinker in effect deploys a mental demonstrative of the form ‘those criteria’ where the criteria in question are in fact those fixed by the speaker’s current normative perspective. This means that the agent’s thoughts are not about his own normative perspective but about the content given by that perspective. However, this is done via a demonstrative reference rather than by description.

      The content of such thoughts presumably can be fixed by a suitable implicit intention on the part of the speaker to refer to the relevant criteria.

      This reference-fixing intention may itself involve some inarticulate notion of similarity to group together the relevant criteria. A useful analogy might be when I hear a tune and say I don’t like songs like that one. I might not be able to say what the tunes I deem 'like that one' in the intended sense have in common with it in virtue of which I don't like them, but there might still be some complex property I'm tracking. What guides me here will be my taste in music, but my focus in discussing this will not be introspective, but on the music.

      Similarly with normative judgment: I might have in mind certain paradigmatic criteria for a suitable standard of practical reason, and then have some intuitive notion of other criteria suitably “like” those. What guides my intuitive notion of similarity may well be my normative perspective, but this may not be transparent to me. This is meant to respect the idea that desire-like states provide a lens through which one sees the world rather than necessarily being the object of one’s deliberation. [insert Humean story about guiding and staining here the world with our sentiments here….]

      I prefer this demonstrative account to one which requires the speaker to have a thought which de dicto lists all of the relevant criteria, as the Santa Claus example suggests. For the criteria may be extensive, and this would impute too much complexity to the thoughts themselves - as opposed to some implicit intention in the background, which may itself get its content in some indirect way, as suggested above. A given judge might have 50 or 100 criteria on any acceptable ultimate standard of practical reason, e.g., and this would mean that (if my solution to Frege-Geach etc. is to work) each of his normative beliefs would have an enormously complex de dicto content. Granted on my view there is the background intention needed to fix the demonstrative, but because that isn't part of the judgment itself, and can be somewhat incohate, that doesn't seem so bad to me. Anyway, that is really how I am currently thinking about the representational component of normative judgments. Thanks for drawing me out on this; as I say, this is not explicitly spelled out in the book even though, really, it should be.

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  2. Now the other two questions about normative thought:

    (3) “Can’t someone have a policy of deliberating in a certain way without thinking that so deliberating is correct?”

    Strictly speaking, I can agree that this is possible, first because not all policies count as normative perspectives and second because a normative perspective without the relevant corresponding representational belief is not yet a normative judgment. If someone has a normative perspective, though, it follows that they are in Bratman’s sense “satisfied” with it – and this rules out alienation. Without some form of alienation in play, it does not seem so implausible to me that a normative perspective plus the relevant belief does define the agent’s normative judgments – again, given the overarching explanatory power of such a view.

    (4) “Isn’t talk about requiring and recommending normative talk, which means I haven’t yet avoided a commitment to normative properties, etc.?”

    Not as such – at least, not in my proposed sense of ‘normative’ – remember, normative judgments as such have as their primary function settling the thing to do, think or feel. I am here relying on our pre-theoretic talk of standards and rules requiring/recommending things. Our departmental standards require weekly office hours and recommend regular attendance at the staff seminar each week. I can admit this and not think it settles the thing to do, though, or even stands in any direct entailment relations to a view about the thing to do. It is, of course, a good question just how we should understand talk of a standard requiring or recommending something, and I do try to say just a little about this good question in the book. I think, though that it is a question for everyone, and the kinds of examples I just gave (I could also mention standards of etiquette, law, etc.) indicate that it is a constraint on any adequate answer to this question not entail that all thoughts about standards requiring/recommending something are normative in my specific sense of that technical term.

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    1. PS In pressing the 3rd question, Antti presses me a bit on downplaying the role of emotions, and draws a contrast with Gibbard in *Wise Choices, Apt Feelings*. But Gibbard in that book commits himself to the view that 'morally wrong' is roughly paraphrased by 'is such as to warrant guilt/shame and their impersonal analogues depending on whether one is the agent or an observer'. Officially I have no view about whether such an analysis is correct, but if it is then I don't see why an Ecumenical Expressivist account of judgments about the "thing to feel" could not usefully be inserted here, and the view would actually be very similar to Gibbard's view in *Wise Choices...*. I explicitly put judgments about "the thing to feel" to one side in the book. In this respect, my focus in *Impassioned Belief* is more like Gibbard's focus in *Thinking How to Live* - and in the latter book emotions are also strikingly absent - it is all plans, plans, plans. This is because of the more sparse notion of the 'thing to do' which isn't so deeply tied up with emotions as one might suppose specifically moral judgments (or some of them, at least) are.

      Another reason to require stability for normative perspectives in the account of normative judgment is also connected to emotions. One wants to have enough of a deep connection to explain the robust association of even sparse normative judgments about the 'thing to do' with emotions for creatures like us but not such a strong connection as to rule out the very possibility of beings like Data from Star Trek or an emotionless God making normative judgments. My proposal is that emotions perform a stablizing role for us, and that the assumption that normative perspective constitutively involve stability is supported in part because the stability hypothesis also helps explain the connection to emotions - our emotional dispositions plausibly help maintain stability in our normative outlook. This is contingent (so Data is still on the table) but a deep feature of how creatures like us characteristically maintain stability.

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  3. On my account of language, I think I can be more concise:

    (1) On ideationalism. I think this is indeed the most natural home for expressivism, and I am happy to defend it. I do, though, think that it is not hard to “tweak” the main ideas of the view to fit into at least some other promising meta-semantic frameworks. In fact, in an earlier draft I discussed how to do this for some such frameworks (and explained why the remaining frameworks were not all that plausible).

    To take one example, consider Millikan-style teleosemantics, which I think is also committed to views in meta-semantics. On this view (I will oversimplify a bit here), we explain meaning in terms of certain kinds of functions. Millikan thinks the meaning of the indicative form is explained in terms of its functioning to implant the corresponding true belief in one’s interlocutor. It doesn’t always do this, but it doesn’t have to always do it for this to be its proper function. I personally think it more plausible (quite independently of my commitment to expressivism and just focusing on descriptive discourse) to think the relevant function is simply to implant the corresponding belief, whether true or not. Given that the expressivist doesn’t really deny that there are normative beliefs so much as offers a distinctive account of their nature, an expressivist, including an Ecumenical Expressivist like me, can transpose their view pretty easily into a slightly modified version of Millikan’s theory.

    There are other metasemantic views that Ecumenical Expressivism can plausibly be tweaked to fit with, but this already too long post would become ridiculous if I tried to go through all of them. Perhaps the best way forward would be for Antti to say more about what he considers to be the most plausible such views that my approach would not fit well with.

    (2) On the Soames view of propositions. I am happy to defend this, and my expansion of it to include cognitive event types in a broader sense. Here I emphasize the standard quasi-realist’s capacious treatment of ‘belief’ and ‘thought’ and just extend this to the relevant types. It is true that for Soames it is important that propositions are inherently representational – but for him this means “inherent bearers of truth-conditions” rather than “having the function of mapping the world” or some such more robustly representational notion – at least, he puts the point in terms of aptness for truth in his book at various places – see p. 48 of What is Meaning?, e.g. Basically, there is risk here of equivocation on ‘representational’. If ‘representational’ means ‘truth-apt’ or something close to that, then I argue at some length in the chapter on truth that my hybrid states fit the bill. If, though, representational means what I mean by that term in the book then I don’t think that Soames is committed to propositions being representational in this sense – nor, indeed should traditional accounts. What, after all, is the function of something as abstract as a set of possible worlds? Attributing functions (in the sense that admits of malfunction as its contrary) to such things seems like a confusion.

    So I don’t think my extension of Soames’s view is all that crazy or unmotivated – at least, if one thinks the proposed view of normative thought is otherwise plausible, it has a principled motivation which does not contradict anything in Soames.

    That said, as I very briefly indicate in the book, the main ideas of Ecumenical Expressivism can actually be combined with a more traditional conception of propositions. To see how to do this, though, you need to see how you would have to modify the theory of truth discourse I offer in chapter 7, so it would be premature to go into those epicycles at this stage of the reading group. But it isn’t hard to find my views on this since I developed a view just like this in my earlier work on truth – see my “The Truth in Ecumenical Expressivism” in the Sobel/Wall collection, Reasons for Action.

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  4. Thanks for the extensive replies, Michael! I'm just about to watch the Hobbit with my wife, so I'll continue the conversation tomorrow. Meanwhile, I welcome others to chip in, with no obligation whatsoever to focus on the issues that I raised!

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    1. Hope you enjoyed the Hobbit (though if it is the second installment, it was pretty disappointing, I thought). We watched Orphan Black last night...been watching Game of Thrones more recently though...I think we've digressed from the themes of the book a bit now though!

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  5. Thanks for this, Antti, and thanks to Mike for for taking the time to provide extensive replies. Had a day off with Vilho yesterday and may not have time for this today either, but I'll see whether I have something to add to the discussion tomorrow.

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  6. Hey Mike, if you can stomach another of my wacky, out-of-left-field ideas, I'm wondering if you can address the following question. In this chapter, you say that "Of these three kinds of theories of meaning (pragmatics, semantics and metasemantics), expressivism is most clearly not well understood as a theory in pragmatics. If that were all that expressivism had to add to the theory of meaning then it would be compatible with a fully representational theory of literal meaning."

    But here's a puzzle: the expressivist's positive thesis is plainly a hypothesis about speech-acts. You quote Gibbard as telling us that the expressivist "explain[s] what states of mind the term can be used to express". But to tell us about the *use* of a term is to offer a view about what kind of speech-act is conventionally performed by the utterance of that term. That puts the expressivist thesis squarely within the realm of pragmatics.

    So here's how to solve the puzzle in a way that avoids your worry: we can say that expressivists have a negative and a positive phase. The negative phase involves providing arguments against the standard truth-conditional, representationalist approach to moral terms. It is here that Open Questions, supervenience arguments and appeals to naturalism make their appearance. Having undermined moral semantics, "the expressivist's strategy is to change the question" and move to pragmatics, offering a story about what we *do* with moral sentences.

    Critics: "But if that's all that's going on, how does our moral discourse have all the trappings of assertive discourse?" Here, the expressivist moves to metasemantics, offering a naturalistic explanation of why our discourse looks the way it does, *given* that we are only expressing attitudes. This last bit of the positive phase is where quasi-realism really gets going.

    On this reading, the view actually combines pragmatics and metasemantics. Would you be amenable to this moderate revision? Or do you still want to resist the idea that expressivism essentially involves commitments in pragmatics?

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    1. Hi Nick,

      Thanks for pressing me on this. The boundaries between semantics, meta-semantics are no doubt not as sharp as they are sometimes presented as being, which is in effect what you are pressing me on. Plausibly, any meta-semantic theory worth its salt will advert to something about the conventional norms governing the appropriate use of various forms of words. That just reflects the fact that meaning is fixed (to some extent, anyway) by relevant conventions governing how the discourse is to be used. So if that is all it takes for a meta-semantic theory to take on commitments in pragmatics, then I think *all* plausible meta-semantic theories will bleed into pragmatics - construed that broadly.

      That said, I don't think that expressivism is well understood as a speech-act theory of meaning a la Alston, say. I don't think linguistic conventions associated with 'good' preclude any given sentence in which 'good' occurs from being used to perform this, that or the other speech-act type. In particular, I don't want to deny that we use sentences in which 'good' is used to make normative assertions in a perfectly normal sense of 'assertion'.

      But even if the theory on offer *did* turn out to be a speech-act theory, in the sense of adverting to various speech-acts, it would still be a theory of meaning qua meta-semantics. It would just be an Alston style theory of sentence meaning which explains sentence meaning in virtue of speech-act potential. There is no ban on using ideas from pragmatics in a meta-semantic theory - or at least, I don't think there should be!

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    2. Hi again Mike,

      I agree entirely about the blurry boundaries here, and it's worth noting that Kaplan's own introduction of the term metasemantics reproduces this uncertainty: "a claim about the basis for ascribing a certain meaning to a word or phrase does not belong to semantics... Perhaps, because it relates to how the language is used, it should be categorized as part of pragmatics..., or perhaps, because it is a fact about semantics, as part of Metasemantics." (1989, 574) My own view is that this divide is mostly illusory.

      Now, I would have thought that your (ecumenical) version of expressivism certainly makes room for the idea that we make assertions in using moral language. If I understand thsi correctly, the individuation-conditions on assertion require, at least, that a speaker is in a belief-like state of mind, which is just what your theory predicts of moral assertion. But I take it that for pure expressivism, this is much less clear. It is hard to see how *that* doctrine survives if it admits that moral utterances ever express mind-to-world states. At least, I find myself losing sight of the point of the pure expressivist program once we allow that moral utterances can be assertions. Perhaps Blackburn and Gibbard are not entitled to your speech-act pluralism, and perhaps this is a reason to prefer your view!

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    3. I'd like to just endorse this sympathetic suggestion, but I suspect that it underestimates the resources of non-ecumenical expressivists. The idea would be that 'assertion' in ordinary language only requires the expression of belief where 'belief' is in turn understood in ordinary language terms - which on these version of expressivism means in *minimalist* terms. So the relevant beliefs might then turn out from the point of view of a theorist to be desire-like in their direction of fit. No matter - they are still beliefs in the folk sense, and so we have assertion in the folk sense too.

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  7. Sorry, I've been a bit delayed getting to this since it's silly season with exams and all.

    Thanks for the great summary Antti, and interesting discussion all. Rather than tag onto that, here are a few things that came up for me as I went through the chapter. I'll often phrase them as challenges though it's as much that I'm keen to get clear on the view as that I have serious objections.

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    Ridge claims that to accept a standard requires that one is disposed to issue the relevant prescriptions. But I wondered if this is really true (this is part of a general worry I have regarding the ability of expressivism to handle third-personal judgements).

    It seems to me that we make very many prudential judgements and agent-relative moral judgements about others that we are not in the least disposed to voice. Certainly, if we include non-atomic normative judgements, there are *very* many normative judgements that we are not in the least disposed to voice: how often do you tell people what they don't have conditional reason to do? On p111, Ridge does allow that this disposition is defeasible, especially with respect to agent-relative standards - but beyond a certain point, this defeasible disposition might sound like no disposition at all.

    On p117, he adds that we have this disposition only when 'candid'. But this seems to rob the claim of all content, at least if 'candid' means 'disposed to voice the thoughts you have'.

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    Ridge's gloss on normative perspectives, and in turn on normative judgements, has them involve commitments to deliberate in certain ways. But along with Railton, we might think that sometimes we do well to avoid deliberating in ways that mirror the norms we accept (e.g. indirect utilitarians). I can understand the claim that such views are false, but am I right in thinking that on Ridge's view it's not even possible to hold such a position? Some relevant remarks appear on p118, but it looks as though they speak to the possibility of using a standard for deliberation that you don't accept as correct, rather than vice versa.

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    On Ridge's view, any token normative judgement is constituted by the combination of your perspective and a representational belief. Does this view wrongly entail that whenever there is any change in your normative perspective the identity of each of your normative judgements changes? That looks like an odd result.

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    On the same point: Ridge earlier discussed ecumenical cognitivist views, and part of the problem for those views was driven by cases where two agents share part, but only part, of the relevant hybrid state. I'm not sure that the very same problems will arise for Ridge's view, but I wonder if parallel problems might arise. One way this might come up: Does Ridge's view wrongly entail that you and I disagree about abortion just so long as we have any difference in normative perspective? It looks like Ridge's view at least says that two agents who disagree in normative perspective will also share no normative judgements, and that sounds like disagreement. (I'm guessing that we'll get more on this in the chapter on disagreement, but thought I should flag it now.)

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    1. Alex: On your second point, I had hoped the locution 'deliberate in accord with' would allow me to finesse this. The thought would be that you can deliberate in accord with a norm or principle without actually following it. One straightforward way would be by relying on heuristics of various kinds. So long as the agent believes that following the heuristic will approximate following the norm more closely than actually trying to follow it, this sort of case should be easy for me to handle. Other cases of indirection are trickier, I admit, but they are probably trickier for everyone, really. As I understand the phrase 'indirect utilitarianism' that isn't a problem for me, since that involves accepting as basic a norm which tells you to do whatever is such that rules (or character traits) whose acceptance (embodiment) would generally maximize utilit would require (dispose one to do), or whatever. So on those views you can still just be following the relevant norm itself. A harder case might be a Hare-style 'two level' view, but then I do think that sort of view is tricky for anyone. There are different ways of spelling that view out too, so perhaps say more about what kind of case you have in mind and I'll see whether my account can make sense of it. I'm not sure, by the way, that it would be a decisive objection to my view if it entailed that at some level views which are self-effacing are thereby shown to be incoherent. That is a view that many people have found plausible, given the action-guiding role of normative judgment, quite independently of expressivism - e.g. I think constructivists like this idea. It might be one way in which expressivism has interesting implications for first-order methodology, rather than a reductio - depending on how dramatic the consequences are, of course.

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    2. On your third point: Yes, if by 'identity' you mean 'token realization' - the identity of the relevant hybrid/relational type remains constant, though. I'll agree to 'odd' but not 'wrongly'! I'm not sure it is *so* odd, either, but I know I may be in the grip of my own theory.

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    3. On your fourth point: no! This is why in my previous reply I distinguished types and tokens. Two different people obviously don't share the same belief token, of course, but so long as they both instantiate the right relational/hybrid pattern then they on my account both instantiate tokens of the same normative type. So a utilitarian and a Kantian can both agree that charity is morally required, e.g, even though these beliefs will be differently realized. This does require me to explain why this kind of sameness of type is sufficient for agreement (and I have to deal with disagreement too), so you are right that this is an issue for me - but that is why I have a chapter on disagreement, as you also anticipated! So, "to be continued" I guess, but it is useful to get clear on the type/token distinction and what it takes on the theory for two people to count as making the same normative judgments.

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    4. Thanks for the universally helpful replies Mike.

      With respect to self-effacing views, by 'indirect utilitarianism' I had in mind the two-level style view rather than rule-utilitarianism, but regardless, I agree that you're right that the more extreme versions of this view are going to be inconsistent with many other views as well as yours (I leave open which way we should resolve that inconsistency). I need to have a think about whether there are more modest claims that your view rules out in virtue of treating normative judgements as involving commitments regarding deliberation.

      With respect to the degree to which we voice our normative judgements: Part of me worries that once you get too casual about this disposition, it's less clear what the expressivist (hybrid or not) can say about what it is to make normative judgements about other people, since they don't obviously involve dispositions to act either. (As you say, it's doubtful that this is a problem for your theory in particular rather than a wide spectrum of theories.) The evolutionary considerations might not be too relevant either, since even if it's true that human beings tend to voice their normative judgements, that might be a contingent truth about us rather than a truth about normative judgement as such. At any rate, I look forward to reading the paper.

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  8. Thanks Alex! On your first point, I agree that this is tricky. In fact, I raised similar problems for certain other forms of expressivism in my own paper, "Non-Cognitivist Pragmatics and Stevenson's 'Do So as Well!'" I don't really think my ability to account for third person judgments involving agent-relative values/reasons depends on this feature, which I agree might seem to be either implausible or vacuous, depending on how it is spelled out. It is possible I should drop this component of normative perspectives - it is an idea I transposed from Gibbard's account of what it is to accept a norm. I am here implicitly drawing on a notion of sincerity that Gibbard spells out in his WCAF at p. 74: "a chldlike openness or spontanaiety - speaking without the psychic complications of self-censorship." The thought would be that when not self-censoring (which he may very often do!) the egoist will recommend ruthless pursuit of self-interest - *when the topic comes up*. This last point about the topic being on the table is important to the point about non-atomic sentence, etc. - I'm certainly not thinking we are all disposed at all times to go around trying to express all of our beliefs! I'm also not sure 'candid' here adds anything to 'sincerity' in the Gibbarian sense of the latter. Hopefully that is enough to avoid triviality, though it probably also makes the view a bit slippery, I admit. Part of the idea which I find implicit in Gibbard and somewhat plausible is that this sort of disposition, even if highly defeasible, is what you would expect if your practice of normative discourse evolved in part in order to help us cooperate, coordinate, and codeliberate. Agents whose normative judgments were such that they were not even the tiniest bit poised to share would not be very fit partners for cooperation, etc.

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  9. [sorry that last comment is really a 'reply' to Alex - I entered in the wrong box - sorry!]

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